Grumpy Krishnamurti
Posted on Mar 28th, 2007
by 
Sandra
Sandra
I just wandered over to C4's place, and heard that U.G. Krishnamurti died on March 22, 2007. (my mother's birthday...). He was 89 years old. C4 has written a bit on his blog, so do go there. I also made a comment, but since I have loved this man for years I wanted to add a few more words. There are many quotes from him on my profile page, and just a couple of days after his death I posted this one:
As I mentioned in my comment to C4's blog, I did indeed call him 'the grumpy Krishnamurti' to distinguish him from Jiddu Krishnamurti, another light in my life, who I only found out about two years after his death in 1986. In fact I think Jiddu was also often quite grumpy, it's just that his demeanor was mostly beatific. (They met, and some of their interactions are quoted on the U.G. wiki page.) And U.G's straight telling about life and our quest for so-called enlightenment was often a bit like a bludgeon. Personally I liked this...and it helped to scrape away any ego-driven illusions about the quest I might have had. For example..
And thanks to Mushin ( see the comments below) here is the U.G. "song":
Although I suspect U.G. would just grumble at me saying this, but I believe he was a man of light and love.
“Consciousness is so pure that whatever you are doing in the direction of purifying that consciousness is adding impurity to it.”
As I mentioned in my comment to C4's blog, I did indeed call him 'the grumpy Krishnamurti' to distinguish him from Jiddu Krishnamurti, another light in my life, who I only found out about two years after his death in 1986. In fact I think Jiddu was also often quite grumpy, it's just that his demeanor was mostly beatific. (They met, and some of their interactions are quoted on the U.G. wiki page.) And U.G's straight telling about life and our quest for so-called enlightenment was often a bit like a bludgeon. Personally I liked this...and it helped to scrape away any ego-driven illusions about the quest I might have had. For example..
"All gurus are welfare organizations providing petty experiences to their followers. The guru game is a profitable industry; try and make two million dollars a year any other way."
"You are trying to enforce peace through violence. Yoga, meditation, prayers, mantras, are all violent techniques. The living organism is very peaceful; you don't have to do a thing. The peacefully functioning body doesn't care one hoot for your ecstasies, beatitudes, or blissful states."
and..There are many more wonderful quotes and photos of U.G. on this website.
I've noticed that when I read Jiddu Krishnamurti, I smile and feel like I have been 'met', when I read U.G. I sit up straight and feel the force of life flowing through me. I'm deeply grateful to both men. (many of my blogs have quotes from Jiddu).
Here is a YouTube of U.G, I'm on a phone line right now, so haven't been able to see it myself... U.G. Krishnamurti on misery
U.G. Krishnamurti - relationship
And thanks to Mushin ( see the comments below) here is the U.G. "song":
The U.G. - Song
Although I suspect U.G. would just grumble at me saying this, but I believe he was a man of light and love.
Access: Public
enlightenment
June 2008
Oh look at the play of this stick
When you were born, I was your first home,
When you were a boy, I was your toy
When you got married, I was the one, who sanctified it,
When you got old, I was the third leg that you hold,
When you died, I was the last resting place that you laid in.
What am I? Clue
Cradle
Bat
‘Yagna Maundup’ (a holy fire that Indian marriages are sanctified with)
Walking stick
‘Agni Sanskar’ (Cremation) or Coffin
All these are made of wood (in some part or the other) and have a significant role to play in everyone’s life.
This comment was actually inspired by a folk song that I heard recently in Hindi.
The moral is that we will continuously be played upon with this stick; unless we get out of this cycle of birth and death. I believe he did.
Sandra, I can picture U.G. and J riding in a cab together, the proverbial Odd Couple:
J: Do you have any asprin or tylenol UG? My head is killing me.
UG: You've always got a headache J. Why are you taking that crap anyway. Let the body heal itself.
J: That's easy for you to say UG, you haven't had head pain for 20 years like I've had.
UG: You still haven't gotten over what Leadbetter and Blavatsky did to you, have you?…
UG: …You still dress the part.
J: Get a haircut!
UG: Driver, are we there yet?
UG and J were two wonderful soundings in the fog of spirituality. Both have been “uppa” loaded. Thanks for bringing this to light Sandra. Always, Ron
heh heh! I couldn't resist this one Ron….
J: Get a haircut!
UG: What's the bloody point? We are only created for the flies to suck our blood!
J:How do you know that? That's just a conditioned thought. You're just burdened by the past like everyone else.
U.G.: Oh, and you're not? What about Leadbetter and Blavatsky? You still haven't said a word about that one.
J: I'm not going to agree with you or disagree with you. At least I live fully while you just sit there and bark at people.
U.G: Bark? Of course I bark. Everyone is a dog, just wanting a master. You are just like the others, setting yourself up as some kind of guru.
J: Rubbish. You know I'm always telling them not to listen to me.
U:G. Yes, you 'the speaker' stuff. I've heard all about it. “The speaker is only a mirror. Where you can see yourself. When you recognize yourself clearly, you can put aside the mirror.”
J: What? What's wrong with that? That's a good one.
U.G. It's okay. I have much better ones. Hows this for starters: “A messiah is the one who leaves a mess behind him in this world.”
J. Yes that's good.
U.G. :Thought you'd like it.
J. You weren't referring to me, where you?
U.G: Oh noo, not at all. You stopped all that, didn't you? Star of the East stuff.
J: All rubbish.
U.G. Speaking of rubbish, the taxi's stuck in it. Big pile of cow shit. We'll have to walk.
J: Walk?! I can't walk in that muck.
U.G. You think I can? I'm wearing my Gucci's…
(see travels with U.G. UG, is he for real? J.Krishnamurti, stories, quotes and questions)
“UG & J Advertising, god speaking, how may I break you.” ( It's actually you Sandra, your god's secretary. Thanks for the morning laugh, about 4 minutes worth. Good yogic movement. : )))))))
Thanx Sandra for putting this up, and Ron for getting this funny dialogue going…
I kept reading UG when I was with my teacher, very disconcerting matter - must've been one of the motives that got me finally out of that whole game altogether.
“grumpy Krishnamurti” indeed.
I really liked him.
… I just added another video, UG on relationship :-)
Sandra, Thanks for these two videos. He seemed very playful in the misery piece and mellow in the relationship, he doesn't seem to have a desire for the vitriol. Watching his hands in the first video… there's where energy is noticeable. When he extends his arm upward but holds his hand bent at the wrist like a waiter carrying a tray of food, it's as if he is offering you something. But if you're not paying attention…
wow! Sandra, thanks for all the info.
to be honest, i'm more influenced by UG than by Jiddu. i don't know why. intellectually i find Jiddu fascinating, but in my guts, i find UG more liberating.
but for the record, i think UG's expression is more attuned to the “absolute” nature of reality. (e.g. that nothing can be attained), but in the relative, UG's state of existence is not very useful for the evolution of society at large. and i think he would agree :)
here's to the Grumpy Krishnamurti :)
@Ron: LOL
~C
while browsing and seeing a few grumpy-murti videos I also stumble across this little animation of spirit which puts the whole advaita teaching in a 2 min. video
And the UG -Song; I like it
Oh, Mushin thanks for those! Wonderful. I think I have make a whole blog of the animation.. And I'll add the fabulous song to this one!
And today this was sent to me:
Mukunka Rao sends notice of U.G. Krishnamurti's passing
Remembering U.G. Krishnamurti
U.G. Krishnamurti, lovingly called UG by his friends and admirers all
over the world, is no more. The end came on 22 March 2007 at 2.30 pm at
the villa of his friend, in Vallecrosia, Italy. As per UG’s advice,
with no rituals or funeral rites, the cremation was carried out by
Mahesh Bhatt the next day at 2.45 pm, in Vallecrosia, Italy. He was
eighty-nine years old. UG is survived by his erstwhile family, comprising his
two daughters, Usha and Bharati, and their respective families and his
son, Kumar and his family. But his actual family is much larger than
that, extending over the entire globe and consisting of numerous
‘friends’ to whom he has been closer than their own families and indeed
their own selves.
Seven weeks before, UG had a fall and injured himself. This was the
second such occurrence in two years. He did not want such an incident to
occur once again which would make him further dependent on his friends
for his daily maintenance. So he refused medical or other external
intervention. He decided to let his body take its own natural course. He
was confined to bed and his consumption of food and water became
infrequent and then ceased altogether. ‘It’s time to go,’ he declared,
joined his palms in namaste, thanked his friends and advised them to
return to their places. Only his longtime friends, the filmmaker, Mahesh
Bhatt, Larry and Susan Morris, and few other friends stayed back to
guard his body and do whatever was necessary when the end came. UG did not
die of any disease, although he suffered from ‘cardio-spasm’ for
many years, which became quite severe in the last days of his life.
UG did not show the slightest signs of worry or fear about death or
concern for his body even at the end of his life. He did not leave any
specific instructions as to how to dispose of his dead body. ‘You can
throw it on the garbage heap, as far as I am concerned,’ he often
would say.
Responding to questions on death, UG said, ‘Life and death cannot be
separated. When what you call clinical death takes place, the body
breaks itself into its constituent elements and that provides the basis for
the continuity of life. In that sense the body is immortal.’
Sandra,
I spent some time at your profile today and listened to your voice. It was a delight to watch the Krishnamurti clips. I am so glad to be alive in this techical time, when it is possible to do so. You continue to bring new bits to my attention that I might have missed but for you.
I knew nothing about him. Perhaps I've heard Krishnamurti but didn't even know that this could refer to more than one person. His messages were meaningful for me at this moment in my life and I have saved the quotes you shared.
I especially liked “whatever you are doing in the direction of purifying that consciousness is adding impurity”. As I stubbornly attempt to peel away layers that have accumulated on me in this lifetime, I will continue to ponder that one.
Deborah
Thank you dear Deborah.
Yes isn't it an amazing time we live in. Sometimes I forget to be grateful - so thank you for the reminder!
Love,
Sandra
Funny thing i see with these men is ug parroting jiddu,but jiddu was so non-judgemental he wouldnt respond to ugs comments,i once read jiddus comments that it takes a very dull mind to be interested in gossiping about others,and i think ug falls into this caterogy.but i suppose you take the path that suits yourself and for the life of me i cannot find anything in ugs teachings only misery,now considering your own mind is your own world,i think his world was what he said it was…nothing,not no-thing but nothing.and he could never see his own trap,but jiddu for me is unattached,he draws you in with clever weaving,he uses thought,as using a thorn to remove a thorn and then the light of being shines through,my opinon is ug is misery,jiddu is light!
88.
Goldendawn I don't know why I like UG so much, something to do with his uncompromising irreverance. And yes, he wasn't perfect, that's for sure!
priyatam.. 88? is that an emoticon? I have no idea what it means!